Session Start: Sat Mar 02 15:42:29 2002
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(Sirgrim) I'm makin a CD with zetatalk and Rense's first
(Sirgrim) Matt: cool I'm ripin/listenin to it right now, then I'll make the CD
(Sirgrim) I got her last blakeradio on CD too
(Matt) I have edited out the Ads and news breaks
(MerlinJr) Nancy you know you Quebec ?
(NancyL) Blake Radio was a good interview, covered a lot. The host was very well informed, and kept it MOVING well.
(Sirgrim) Nicely said
(Jubjub963) When did it air, couldn't find it last Sat
(Talon) I enjoyed it, good job!
(Matt) Any word on getting back onto Sightings?
(Sirgrim) Yes he did, had some help prior to you showing up by an unfriendly though
(NancyL) Merlin, what is your question, do I know where Quebec is?
(Sirgrim) Nancy would you go on Art Bell if he asked?
(NancyL) Jubjub 3 times a day for a week, but I do not know the schedule.
(Gerard) It was a good interview yes, it was wecasted serveral times this week on blakeradio.com
(MerlinJr) Is french people is and is what is pass after troubled time ?
(Superzod) You can can download from www.successful-secrets.co.uk/zeta
(NancyL) Matt, my impression on Sightings, from something Jeff said to someone in e-mail is that he will feel free to have me on his show mid summer.
(Clipper) Merlin ..... even I have no idea what you are talking about.
(Sirgrim) I compiled a nice email with recent news and evidence that will hit him, and said you would be a great guest so he might want you on.
(Matt) Thats good news Nancy!
(NancyL) This is based on the Zeta prediction that amateurs can see the 12th/PX by mid-2002, and he said something like "when it can be seen by amateurs in their scopes" can't remember the words.
(MerlinJr) What is which will arrive at Quebec?
(NancyL) There is obviously a lot of pressure to keep the panic/knowledge down.
(MerlinJr) I live in Quebec now
(Matt) I think people will start to move before the final days
(NancyL) Look at the 1st item today. In case anyone does not know, Havas caught them red handed (NASA and Tholen et al) doctoring the existing star charts to put IN PX as imaged recently!
(Talon) Not sure where to move
(Zetapal) We should all e-mail Jeff from his website,They don't promise a response but both times I wrote him he responded briefly
(Matt) !
(Matt) So as to pretend it is nothing new?
(NancyL) Sirgrim, I would, and any of Art Bell's handlers would not be my better. The message would get out, just as it did with Mitch re the stupid mega-sun-cycle thing.
(NancyL) This is why Art won't have me on, as they KNOW I'd maneuver it so the truth was out there.
(NancyL) I don't think Art is his own man, is VERY much leaned on, etc.
(EW) Thank goodness Nancy and zeta's talk here on a weekly basis
(Matt) Art has always givin me an uneasy feeling....
(Clipper) Mitch did do an obvious turn about.
(EW) Nancy who does the leaning?
(Talon) I enjoy Art's show but do feel he is a bit controlled
(Sirgrim) I think Art is good and would help, but he still needs to come to grip with the reality of the situation
(MerlinJr) Nancy is what is becoming the Quebec after people of Quebec ?
(Superzod) Where can we listen to Mitch (Is he the mysteryof themind dude ?)
(Clipper) You have to pay him first.
(NancyL) Merlyn, if you're asking about the effects on Quebec, send to the Contact Nancy webmail place (link from home page) as I will be doing safe locations updates soon.
(Matt) I have the Mitch interview if you have Morpheus or Winmx
(Talon) Merlinjr: read zetatalk "safe places"
(MadMax) Quebec City, Canada../info/tinfx073.htm
(Superzod) I have Moproheo. How do I search it out
(MerlinJr) I know that is but after ?
(MadMax) Canada ../info/tinfx060.htm
(NancyL) Clipper, did Mitch think the Zetas would be politically correct to the host? I could not believe his naivate!
(Clipper) He was just so obvious. He was told to shut the hell up. That was obvious.
(NancyL) Merl, is Quebec on the east side of Canada? If high land, will be cool climate, like today, but good ocean fishing.
(Sirgrim) I think chemtrails are being used to change the weather, and try to make the changes of the incoming planet less noticable, but they have had some errors to say the least.
(Akeybear) LOL about the Zetas
(MerlinJr) Ok
(Anon509b) Have the zetas ever commented on the Voynich manuscript? I'm curious about its meaning and origin.
(EW) Sirgrim: agree about chemtrials
(NancyL) Superzod, I got asked to come for an interview at the Mystery of the Mind place, but they have not come back with specifics after I accepted.
(MerlinJr) But me I live in north of Quebec (province) in Abitibi is near Montreal and near Ontario border!
(Anon509b) Had a huge chemtrail episode over Denver, CO a two/three weekends ago.
(NancyL) Madmax to the rescue :-)
(Sirgrim) Yea
(Sirgrim) I seen it anon
(Sirgrim) I seen the plane
(Sirgrim) Right below the clouds
(Mary) Nancy, where is the agenda posted?
(NancyL) Chemtrails are very evil. The elite, using the military planes, under guise that they are only going to slow the mob down, but in fact they intend to poison folks.
(Anon509b) Dozens of planes, every 3-5 minutes, in parallel, took a clear morning and covered the skies over denver.
(Sirgrim) Plane was silver, and not 50 feet below the 'unsettling' cloud cover
(NancyL) And now we hear that Bush et al are in bunkers, and the rest of the government be damed!
(EW) Nancy is that poison sprayed now?
(Sirgrim) Big thick trail all the way across the sky, went right over me.
(NancyL) People are beginning, in the US, to be uneasy.
(Talon) Poison folks? How can we protect ourselves from the airborn assault?
(Akeybear) Stay inside
(Clipper) If I'm not mistaken, those silver jets have a big red circle on the tail.
(NancyL) Mary, I put it out and will in a minute when we start. It gets compiled up until the last minute, frankly.
(Sirgrim) I couldn't see the tail on this one, very far up
(JurAway) Clipper: japanese huh? :P
(Sirgrim) Right below the clouds, very eerie
(Clipper) Don't think so.
(Mary) Thanks, I thought I just missed all the time (-;
(Torbj) About this spraying of stuff....itīs a new satelite up now (Envisat) thatīs gona trace that ...among other things
(Butch) I know they sprayed the hell out of us last week, kids have been sick since...
(NancyL) EW, no poison now, but the plan later. Maybe some "angels" will interfere. Blow the poison over the wrong place, into the elite camps :-).
(EW) Same here in midwest
(MerlinJr) Nancy how the zeta consider the pagan ones?
(Clipper) Cool :-)
(Akeybear) HEHEHE wish they would....
(Anon509b) What are they spraying now, then?
(EW) Nancy are current chemtrails for weather control?
(NancyL) I talked to someone on the Cal coast, when I lived there, about chemtrails and result. NO doubt that those walking on the beach had a "flu' that lasted for weeks. Those indoors had no such problem!
(Rcain2) Cemtrails used to precipatate moisture is polyvinylalcohal a whire power main ingrediant in womens facemask
(Jubjub963) Are the kid rashes across the us related to the chemtrails
(NancyL) Torbj, someone asked about this sat, and my feeling was it is a good thing. Sweden is a good place ...
(Akeybear) There seems to be this "crud" that lasts for a while going around here...
(Torbj) That was me asking!
(NancyL) Merl, Pagan is a question to pose via the Contact Nancy link from home page. Not on the Agenda, and about to start now.
(NancyL) Anon, making folks sick, supposedly temporarily, but sick folks like little children have DIED. So much for the caring elite.
(MerlinJr) Is what like is email?
(MerlinJr) Is what link is email ?
(NancyL) Jub, no, just the Increasing Illness the Z's talked about. Normal germs, people more vulnerable.
(Akeybear) The "Contact Nancy link on the Zetas home page
(Gerard) Merlinjr: ../index/z01.htm
(NancyL) Mer, yes, it will allow you to send an email, no attachments.
(NancyL) OK, going to post the agenda, a good one today.
(MerlinJr) Ok thanks
(NancyL) PLANET X ON SCI.ASTRO
(NancyL) 1. Can the Zeta's comment on the recent general mood of the sci.astro boards.
(NancyL) 2. Can the Zeta's comment on the apparent changes to NEAT and DSSII images recently documented?
(Zetapal) Chemtrail story has been out for years now so we are getting diff TYPES of trails now - not all the same
(NancyL) ZT: Following the posting of an infrared image taken on Jan 5, 2002, the establishment was uneasy but felt the presence of an existing star in the near vicinity would suffice to explain, in the main, to the man on the street, the image.
(Zetapal) Is over in TT too
(Nomis) Is here anyone from Germany?
(NancyL) ZT: Those following the debate closely, which several thousand are, were not so confused, however, but indeed recognized, in spite of the image makers later protests, that TWO objects were present in the new image, not on the star charts.
(Gerard) Nancy it seemed you posted the wrong question before the answer.. in IRC
(NancyL) ZT: In that once is an aberation, in science, but twice is a pattern, the lights went off when the French team came through again with an image taken on Jan 19, 2002.
(Talon) Viva La France!
(NancyL) ZT: This had the astonishing association of being 1. a legitimate image, taken by a student given access to the equipment as a part of a training routine, and 2. having the stamp of the observatory, and 3. accompanied by an ESO star chart to be used as comparison.
(NancyL) ZT: They were horrified. All attempts to suppress such an occurence had slipped through their fingers, as they had not gone DOWN to the level of trainers and students in their covert warnings to astronomers.
(Matt) :)
(NancyL) ZT: The cat was well out of the bag by the time the establishment became aware.
(Akeybear) Gotta go down to the grass roots!! *grins*
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they huddled, no comment being the mode, as noted by Steve Havas who found it odd that David Tholen of the Haiwai complex was absent for days after this announcement.
(NancyL) ZT: The options were discussed. Should they call it a NEWobject, perhaps a nova, and deal with the motion according to our coordinates later?
(NancyL) ZT: Should they ignore it, and have their lack of interest rouse curiosity?
(NancyL) ZT: Should they state that this is an existing object, the excuse used on Jan 5, 2002, always the most comfortable answer.
(NancyL) ZT: They chose the latter, and proceeded to INSERT an object in the star charts that would be downloaded by interested parties in the public, so that the public, comparing, would find the NEW object identified in France an OLD object, and dismiss the image.
(NancyL) ZT: They proceeded, but Steve Havas is a gifted contactee whom we have great confidence in, and thus he was guided as to WHERE to look, and WHEN.
(NancyL) ZT: His early post that he was suspicious when Tholen did not post a comment to Nancy's announcement shows he was aware that activities behind the scenes were in process.
(MerlinJr) Nancy for grow plant how grow plant is not sun light?
(NancyL) ZT: Caught in the Act! is his statement to sci.astro, and this it was.
(Gerard) Merlinjr: not during the session please, and only related follow up questions after the answer is given
(NancyL) ZT: By pointing to what was a botched doctoring job, in time for many thoughout the world to follow in his footsteps and do their own checking, he produced a catch-22 for the establishment.
(MerlinJr) Ok sorry :)
(NancyL) ZT: Should they proceed to fix their botches, hurriedly done by inexperienced image fixing disinfo artists, they had to worry about astronomers worldwide comparing the NEW star charts to those they had in their possession already.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the decision was made to withdraw the botched and doctored images, leaving Steve looking like a liar.
(NancyL) ZT: This supposition was posted today, Mar 2, 2002, on sci.astro, by Nancy, so that those astronomers around the world, who number in the hundreds, who have done their own comparisons and been horrified, will be alerted to the plan.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, though Steve may come under some heat, he should and we are confident will, understand that many are out there have PROOF now of the coverup, and the search for Planet X has now intensified a thousand fold.
(NancyL) ZT: For each astronomer looking, or thinking, there will for every astronomer finding the images being doctored, the bastion of integrity the star charts are supposed to be being DOCTORED, there will be dozens, each, that will be talked to privately in hushed tones about this matter.
(NancyL) ZT: A wildfire has been lit, and cannot be damped. And Steve cannot be touched else suspicions will go wild.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Canuck) Way to go SteveH!
(NancyL) Steve H is here :-)
(Jubjub963) Why not awaken people to PX slowly, rather than hurriedly when it's too late
(NancyL) Jub, there is no time for slow.
(SteveH) Hi!
(RobH) Are questions open about contrail related topics?
(EW) You da man steve!
(Gerard) Robh: no ...
(NancyL) And the establishent fears ANY awareness, as the Stock Market will crash, etc.
(Matt) This will just lead to more people being confused and thereby doing nothing to prepare...:(
(NancyL) Rob, submit for next week.
(Karen) Hello Steve I applaud you
(RobH) Ok will do :)
(Gerard) You are doing good Steve H
(SteveH) Thanks :)
(Samsara2001) Could the Zetan's expand on reasons of the acceleration of PX as it passes to the sun - beyond that which is already available on the website?
(NancyL) Matt, uneasiness is rising anyway, the Bush Admin here in the US having a less than 50% rating on their caring about the little guy. They SENSE something up.
(NancyL) Samsara, excellent Q for next week, as this is continuing confusion about this. Bottom line, there is no friction in space, NO limit to speed.
(NancyL) Send me this on Contact Nancy off my home page, for next week.
(NancyL) OK, Moving onto Q2.
(Jubjub963) Something to do with the repulsion force being removed
(NancyL) BUSH ADMIN / PRISON GANGS
(NancyL) 1. What is the purpose of the shadow government that Bush announced this past week? Is this a plan to start moving elite people to underground places?
(NancyL) 2. What do the Zetas foresee happening with the general prison population in the US and other countries?
(NancyL) ZT: Sept 11, 2001 was both a blessing and a curse for the Bush Administration, owned by the elite as anyone following the rulings in favor of corporations and friends of Bush can see.
(NancyL) ZT: During earlier days, the OKC bombing and Waco affair and shooting down of TWA800 were attempts to trigger Martial Law.
(NancyL) ZT: This did not happen due to fast action on the part of many in government and the free-lance media who were alerted to the intent, and took steps to counter the planned result.
(NancyL) ZT: Nevertheless, ultra right Republicans emerged from closed door meetings shortly after OKC, revealing their plan - it was Arab terrorists!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the plan to initiate Martial Law EARLY was thwarted, and went underground into back room grumblings.
(Nomis) And how can we see the situation in ISRAEL?
(NancyL) ZT: When Sept 11, 2001 hit, the Bush Administration and their allies in corporate America were stunned.
(NancyL) ZT: They had NO warning, and a fully loaded plane went into the Pentagon with no resistance whatsoever.
(NancyL) ZT: Where the public is told that the fourth plane turned toward Washington DC went down due to a scuffle with passengers determined to prevent the plane's misuse, in fact it was shot down by the military.
(Talon) Yes I have seen proof of this
(NancyL) ZT: This and the silly reasons given forth for the plane leaving NYC and crashing into a neighborhood, that the tail took tail winds, are scarsely believed by the uneasy public.
(NancyL) ZT: Clearly, the safety of the skies is not secure, and bombs can be planted in tails, taking planes down, in NYC, the site of intense security now.
(NancyL) ZT: Seeing the President by Coup looking frightened and discombobulated during his single TV appearance during the WTC strike, the public sensed something up about the PR campaign to present Bush Jr as tough.
(NancyL) ZT: The polls published, showing him popular to high degrees, are utterly false, and who is to know the better.
(Samsara2001) Talon - Where did you get information on this--I have heard nothing of this
(NancyL) ZT: The American public is told the economy is about to turn, the Stock Market safe, and the skies safe as well.
(NancyL) ZT: All of this has a false ring to it, and increasingly the public is speaking privately to friends and confidants that they feel they are being lied to.
(NancyL) ZT: Enron was not by accident exposed to the world as the cess pool of deceit it was. We, and human allies, made sure the information about accounting irregularities got into the right hands.
(NancyL) ZT: The New MJ12 at work.
(Talon) I cannot tell you
(Talon) I have said to much as it is
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, the facts about the Bunker Government, as the Secret Govenment plans in operation since Sept 11, 2001 are called.
(NancyL) ZT: Part of the Administration is absent, underground, while the other part is operating in Washington DC.
(NancyL) ZT: And where are the balancing parts of the federal government, so much touted when discussion about the Constitution are before students and the public?
(NancyL) ZT: Courts and Congress do not count, are not to be saved or salvaged, and THIS says more about the mindset of the Bush Administration than any Enron or frightened face of a cowardly President could say.
(Fighterr2001) This is scary
(NancyL) ZT: They are outside the law, as they have been since they stole the election by shouting, and enforcing, a STOP THE COUNTING rule, enforced by a Supreme Court never before interfering in elections in this manner.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, our prediction that the Bush Presidency would become increasingly irrelevant will be expedited.
(NancyL) End ZT to Q1 Followup?
(HBO2) What about the assertations of Gray North and others that the identities of the 9-11 terrorists were manufactured by the FBI?
(DavidS) Could we expect more similar attack/terror (as in NYC - WTC) on important buildings in USA or anywhere else on Earth in 2002 or in 2003?Or anything else in the name of Martial Law and World control (New World Order)?
(EW) Why did the military NOT shot down the first three planes on 9/11/01? They were way off flight plan..Plenty of time for F16s!
(New-Baco) Who was responsabile for the Sept. 11 hit?
(Matt) Are part of the US/Secret Govt staying underground until after May2003? And is PX the reason they are underground?
(RobH) May not be important but how did those behind the attack SUPPRESS the normal Air Force response to a plane going off course, having 30-45 minutes flight from albany to NYC?Was this inside military job then?
(NancyL) HBO2, Z's say Bin Laden et al indeed took a role, just others behind the scenes.
(Flipper) Is the Canadian Government in the same boat, Nancy?
(Fighterr2001) Is Sept.11 a set up so the goverment can prepare for the pole shift?
(NancyL) DavidS ZT: Where the terrorists plan many additional assaults, they are unlikely to have the clout until they have recovered for several months. Bin Laden is indeed alive, and recouping his network, which is hardly devastated.
(Fighterr2001) Note Sept.11 rather War on Terrorism
(Rcain2) Go to whatreallyhappened.com and spend a few days reading
(NancyL) ZT: One can note that key men have disappeared from Afghanistan, nowhere to be found, and will emerge later.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NoN) Why was the NYC plane sabotaged? Was it a hit on someone in particular?
(Clipper) Can the Zetas tell us where Bin Laden is?
(NancyL) EW ZT: The military was stunned by the WTC attacks, as the FIRST they were alerted to the planes being off course was when they went into the buildings.
(Gerard) Clipper: that would be interference, remember
(Akeybear) Didn't the air traffic controllers know they were off course?
(NancyL) ZT: Aviation had a missing plane, but given the impact that these big fuel bombs could have, the fact that NO planes were monitored or prevented from flying over nuclear facilities shows the degree of arrogance in the US Military.
(EW) Military is immediatlly notified when planes off course
(Matt) How much of the US govt/secret govt are they planning to "bunker" in time for the Passing?
(NancyL) ZT: They still are not prepared, nor do they have the mind set to prevent attacks, though the public is told otherwise.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(Talon) Can you confirm that it was an F16 that shot down the airline?
(NancyL) Clipper, no on where Bin Laden is as interference with Rule, etc.
(Samsara2001) Yes...that's a pretty incrediable accusation
(RobH) Hence the rediculously overwhelming airport security.....
(NancyL) Canada is NOT the same as US, at all.
(Clipper) Was hoping :-)
(Flipper) Good to hear, Nancy
(Nomis) And how can we see the situation in ISRAEL?
(NancyL) EW: They lost the planes per the Z's, and were unsure if they were flying low due to technical problems or what.
(NancyL) Also, the military is NOT efficient, and a single command delayed, by a single person missing or indecisive, can do it.
(EW) Makes sense..having experience with military
(Talon) Nod
(NancyL) I know, I've watched them in MJ12 with horror. My GOD they can F$%*^ Up!
(Matt) LOL
(EW) Agree
(RobH) It was peacetime as well....
(Akeybear) Thats being human for you!
(NancyL) Talon, not sure of F16, but debrie shows it was shot down.
(Samsara2001) Nancy - where did you get that information?
(Talon) I have additional information offline I would like you to get
(NancyL) Nomis ZT: Israel is being pressured of late to ease back on what is seen, worldwide, as a repressive regime.
(MadMax) There was a report on Rense about an unmarked plane in PA near the 4th plane when it went down, search his archive for the the week of 9-11
(NancyL) ZT: The US Government has for years considered Israel an ally that would stand when all Arab nations turned.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus the arrogance of those in control, hard liners, ultra-right, in Israel, made for a situation scarsely different from how the Nazi treated the Jews.
(NancyL) ZT: Palestinians are pushed off their homeland, without cause, or incited cause.
(NoN) Still wondering why the NYC plane was sabotaged so quickly after 9/11... motive?
(NancyL) ZT: They are not allowed free movement, are arrested at a whim and killed in jail, and most of this out of the news.
(NancyL) ZT: The street fighting will increase and not die down until steps are taken to right the original offense, land grabbing and mistreatment of Arabs as second class citizens.
(Kkian) Does Bin Laden really have nukes?
(NancyL) ZT: This is unlikely to proceed to any degree during the coming year, a tense year in any case.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(Matt) Can the Zeta's tell how many Govts are aware and hurriedly building bunkers in prep for PX?
(NancyL) OK, going to Q2 part 2 of that Agenda item.
(Bob) Wow!
(Coyote) Thanks for the answer Z's
(NancyL) ZT: Prison populations are well know to the public, who hears the horror stories of activities both by the guards and prisoners, in the news and in the movies.
(NancyL) ZT: The guards are scarsely better than the inmates, being inclined to sadism and lording it over othes when in control.
(NancyL) ZT: During the shift, prisons will spill out and prisoners escape.
(NancyL) ZT: These will as expected become the primary STS gangs in operation after the shift.
(Samsara2001) Clarification - STS?
(Matt) Nasty
(Akeybear) Service to Self
(NancyL) ZT: However, less the public expect Ghengis Khan to reincarnate in essence, the opposite will occur.
(NancyL) ZT: Such gangs require a continuous supply of food and goods to continue a looting and savaging campaign.
(NancyL) ZT: After the shift, supplies will run out quickly, and dead people offer no satisfaction to these mauraders.
(NancyL) ZT: They will quickly, as we have stated earlier, find themselves without the means to keep warm until the morning, and without anything but each other to eat.
(NancyL) ZT: Weakened, and decimated by infighting, they will surcome to disease and defense by STO communities who will give in return the aggression they sense in their attackers.
(NancyL) ZT: In the US, as we have stated, Texas was to become a prison state so that Bush Sr. could have his hordes in the Aftertime.
(MadMax) 9-11 Flight 93 crash in Pennsylvania
(MadMax) Info on Rense.com
(MadMax) http://www.rense.com/general13/yusf.htm
(MadMax) http://www.rense.com/general18/sep.htm
(MadMax) http://www.rense.com/general18/hiding.htm
(MadMax) http://www.rense.com/general13/penn.htm
(NancyL) ZT: This was setup during the time when Houston also was established as the best stop for a carryon government, in underground bunkers.
(Talon) Good job MadMax
(NancyL) ZT: Bush Sr. and his STS advisers were scarsely listening to any advice we gave, and thus discounting, omitted to be concerned about flooding in Texas, which will be OVERRUN with a flood tide.
(Samsara2001) Thax MadMax
(Canuck) That"ll flush 'em out:-))
(Akeybear) LOL
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, prisoners locked in prisons will drown, and those escaping will likely meet this fate, except for a few like wet rats crawling onto shore, alone.
(NancyL) End ZT
(EW) Are there FEMA prison facilities..intended for the survivors after marshall law?
(MadMax) NP :)
(NancyL) I want to address the last Q's before the hour is out ...
(Akeybear) Will there be cannabalism in the STS gangs then?
(NancyL) EQ: Zs' have said this is for MILITARY, AWOL or rogue gangs, not civilians.
(NancyL) They'll just gas the civilians, or shoot them down. They FEAR Military rogue.
(NancyL) Probably cannot just mow them down, either, as military would not do that to miliatary, without revolt.
(NancyL) RAMTHA & SPALDING
(NancyL) 1. Ramtha and Baird Spalding and both top-notch, both much better than most of what is out there, in my opinion. Yes, Ramtha has made lots of predictions and their accuracy is often mind-blowing. He predicted the fall of Communism and the year, and China's temporary relaxing, then tightening restrictions. He predicted some major scientific findings. (more)
(EW) Barb wire turned in not out
(NancyL) But then he changed and this new entity seems to just want to feed his ego and gather followers. He has a huge following. Baird Spalding says he took a trip to India/Tibet/Nepal in the late 19th century and published a very widely read series of books about the adepts/mystics he encountered. They predicted the commercialization of culture, but did not really make many predictions. (more)
(NancyL) They were very definitely service-to-others, spent their time healing mostly, and only wanted people to become service-to-others. They were people of peace, men and women, and did not try to convert or even convince anyone. But they could do things third dimensional people can't do. Both of these are in my opinion much superior to Elizabeth Clare Prophet, whom they did speak about. And Sai Baba, who seems to me a very dark entity. (end)
(NancyL) ZT: Ramtha is indeed a contactee, arrogant and in contact with STS entities as was Tesla.
(NancyL) He received information and projections allowing him to have a substantial track record on predictions, in order to allow him to gather a large following, which he did.
(NancyL) ZT: As with the STS aliens giving the original MJ12 group ships, supposedly to secure the technology, this was a false promise.
(NancyL) ZT: MJ12 never secured any technology, as dissecting the ships energy source or navigation devices caused explosions.
(Akeybear) Oops
(NancyL) ZT: But the myths of a technology exchange for access to American citizens exists today.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, Ramtha, after establishing his initial repute, was no longer given information, as he was considered cutting lose from his bonds by his controllers.
(NancyL) ZT: Frustrated in increasing his scope, he turned to petty control games, revealing his true orientation in these later days.
(NancyL) End ZT On Ramtha .. more ..
(Flipper) Nancy, it is true we implants can be inserted into our astral body without us knowing?
(NancyL) ZT: Baird Spalding like many strongly in the STO orientation has developed a reputation.
(Gerard) F lipper: not related as far as I see
(Samsara2001) According to BobLazar - there was dissection of the crafts and reverse engineering of the propulsion system of these craft - was any of this technology used for praticle applciations?
(Gerard) Samsara: please wait until after the answer ... Nancy hasnt finished yet
(NancyL) ZT: This is not so much due to acts or predictions, but the simple impact that a strongly STO lifestyle and entity can have.
(Torbj) Like giving a hug!
(NancyL) ZT: Like Jesus, who left ALL who heard him speak or watched him in action impressed deeply, Spalding speaks not so much through words as by actions, the true test of orientation.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(NancyL) Followup on these two guys Ramtha and Spalding?
(Kunscript) Was spalding's series fact or fiction?
(Torbj) Fact
(NancyL) Samara, Lazar was hired to DO that, but they were not succeeding. STS aliens would not have been allowed to give the ships if that could occur, per Rules, etc.
(RobH) And so the stories of Tesla's antigrav and free energy not so either?
(Samsara2001) Was there an attempt to pilot a craft that resulted in the death of some test piolets?
(NancyL) ZT to Kunscript: Spalding like many who wished a message to remain with those who heard it took liberties.
(NoN) Yes, please expand on Tesla
(JJ) Do we humans ever come up with anything on our own?
(NancyL) ZT: The Star Wars series is fiction, but speaks greatly to the true interaction between STS and STO, and the contests mankind finds himself in almost daily.
(Talon) Hot dogs
(NancyL) ZT: The Urantia Book likewise is fiction,but beloved by many for the picture it paints.
(MadMax) Tesla ../govmt/g34.htm
(Akeybear) But how many of the aliens in Star Wars are pretty true representations?
(NancyL) ZT: Fiction, or seudo-fiction, often has an impact GREATER than the truth, and is not considered a sin in higher relms if tht mission is accomplished.
(Fighterr2001) What about Ender's Game? If you don't mind me asking
(Torbj) JJ:we live!
(NancyL) End ZT
(RobH) Just like ET
(NancyL) Samsara, read ZT Governemtn section as indeed pilots get killed when their generals send them out to test fly alien craft.
(NancyL) NoN testla is explained in ZT already, Orientation I think, I forget the section.
(NancyL) Well folks, its the hour and I have the flu.
(Samsara2001) Can the Zetan's talk more about the twin Earth idea on Zetatalk - that there is an identical dead earth opposite the sun that we cannot see?
(EW) Chemtrail flu?
(RobH) Sorry to hear that
(Akeybear) Hey Nancy - sending healing wavs your way
(Matt) Goodnight Nancy and thanks
(Karen) Thankyou nancy and Z's sending get well wishes also
(Talon) Thanks Nancy!
(SteveH) Thanks Nancy and Z's!
(NancyL) Had insomnia last night dealing with all the workload I cannot get to, going to STOP web wrapping and insist TEAMs pick up the work on TOPIC from now on to shift.
(Canuck) Have a hot toddy, Nancy and go to bed... Thank you & Zetas
(Svnmn) Thanks Nancy! Take care of that flu!
(HBO2) 65 participants today at one point
(Homy) Thanks nancy
(Karen) Again YOU GO STEVE!!
(NancyL) Focus on media and interviews, ZT such as IRC sessions, and staying healthy.
(Gerard) Thank you Nancy and the Zetas ......
(SteveH) Hehe
(NancyL) My heart is not strong.
(Swimchic) Why are you people thanking her?
(NancyL) Bye bye!
(Jan) Thank you Nancy!
(Jan) And good work Steve!
Session Close: Sat Mar 02 17:09:15 2002